I promised that I would try to collect some of the education-related “Culture Wars” stories. Here are some high (or is it low?) points. Note that the first story goes back to 2004…this has been brewing for some time, and gradually escalating. These are only brief excerpts to give you the flavor of the story.
GEORGIA SCHOOLS ACCOMMODATE MUSLIM RELIGIOUS NEEDS
December 6, 2004
“Now, increasing numbers of schools are facing a new challenge: they're being asked to let some Muslim students out early every Friday throughout the entire year. That's when Muslims come together for the most important service of the week, Juma'ah.
“So Khalid Rashied asked Duluth High School to let his children out early every Friday to attend services. The school gave its permission during the holy month of Ramadan, but not for the entire year.
“Based on rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court, the government -- including a public school -- is within its rights to turn down a religious request, according to Eric Segall, a First Amendment expert at Georgia State University Law School. “When a student wants to receive a special accommodation because of religious practices from a public school,” he says, “the school under the most recent precedent does not really have any First Amendment constitutional obligation to make that accommodation.” But Mr. Segall notes that schools can choose to agree to the accommodation.”
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2004-12/Georgia-Schools-Accomodat...
EFFORT TO ACCOMMODATE MUSLIM WOMEN'S MODESTY SPURS DEBATE
June 13, 2006
Examples of some demands that were made:
• Lincoln Park, Michigan - A public gym was forced to create a separate, women-only section.
• Bridgeview, Illinois - A Muslim school insists that males be banned from their girls’ basketball team *road* games (at other schools!)
• Seattle, Washington - A public pool established a special swim time when men, even lifeguards, were banned
“Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of Muslim Public Affairs Council, says the right to petition for special accommodation based on religious beliefs is protected by the First Amendment.
“Walid Phares, a professor of Middle East studies at Florida Atlantic University, sees it as an early sign in the USA of a global Islamic movement to pressure Western society into abiding by Islamic laws.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-13-muslim-modesty_x.htm
RAMADAN IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS
September 17, 2007
“Public schools and universities across the country are considering Muslim students’ requests for religious accommodation during Ramadan, the holy month of prayer and fasting, which continues through Oct. 12. Accommodations can include separate rooms where fasting students can go during lunch; places for students to perform daily prayers; the consideration of requests to make Eid al-Fitr, the holiday that ends Ramadan, a school holiday; and the installation of footbaths in restrooms to make it easier for students to follow prayer rituals.
“Most school officials try to grant such requests, according to observers, but such accommodations also bring challenges from those who claim they violate church-state separation by giving one religious group special treatment.”
• The San Diego Unified School District is under scrutiny after allowing Muslim students at Carver Elementary School 15 minutes a day for prayer.
• The University of Michigan-Dearborn is steeped in controversy after a decision to use $25,000 in student fees to install footbaths in campus restrooms. The footbaths are seen as an accommodation for Muslim students, who must wash their feet and hands before prayer. The Minneapolis Community and Technical College was bombarded with hate mail when it, too, announced plans to install footbaths.
• At the forefront of the push for religious accommodation in public universities is the Muslim Students Association, which has formed a Muslim Accommodations Task Force to push for footbaths and prayer rooms. At least 17 universities have footbaths built or under construction, including Boston University, George Washington University and Temple University, and nine universities have prayer rooms designated exclusively for Muslim students, including Stanford University, Emory University and the University of Virginia.
• In New York City, Muslim groups are seeking the recognition of two Muslim holidays as school holidays. (Read a May 16, 2007, Norwood News article posted by New York State Assemblyman Ruben Diaz Jr.) Also in New York, in February the U.S. Supreme Court refused to review an appeals court decision that allows New York City public schools to display a menorah during Hanukkah and a star and crescent during Ramadan, while banning a crèche at Christmastime.
http://www.religionlink.org/tip_070917.php
Regarding California K-12 schools, Snopes has some additional remarks (July 7, 2007).
“The special accommodations for Carver Elementary's nearly 100 Somali Muslims don't stop with organized prayer. The school cafeteria has banned pork and other foods that conflict with the Islamic diet. And the K-8 school has even added Arabic the language of the Quran to its curriculum, while segregating classes for girls, a la the Taliban.”
The comments continue:
“In California's brave new schools, Johnny has been forced to recite the Quran along with Ahmed.
“Seventh-graders at a San Francisco-area school were required, even after 9/11, to "become Muslims" for two full weeks as part of California's world history curriculum.
“This included reciting the Muslim profession of faith "Allah is the only true God and Muhammad is his messenger" and chanting "Praise be to Allah" in response to teacher prompts.
“Parents naturally were outraged that teachers would be shoving Islamic beliefs down their children's throats.
“And some of them sued the school district, only to lose in federal court. They appealed, but the ultra-liberal 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals out of San Francisco ruled that such Islamic catechism is constitutional.
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=13236
HARVARD GYM ACCOMMODATES MUSLIM WOMEN
March 4, 2008
“Harvard University has banned men from one of its gyms for a few hours a week, a move to accommodate Muslim women who, for religious and cultural reasons, cannot exercise comfortably in their presence.
“The policy is already unpopular with many on campus, however, including some women who consider it sexist.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-03-04-muslim-gym_N.htm
And an interesting point of view from someone with personal insight.
From the web site “Islam Watch – Telling the Truth about Islam – Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims”:
ACCOMMODATION AS AN ISLAMIST POLITICAL INSTRUMENT
by Zuhdi Jasser
28 Jul, 2007
“The Establishment Clause of our Constitution and the pluralism upon which our nation is based carries with it principles which should always be remembered. Our freedom to practice our personal faith should never be denied. And the courts have repeatedly endorsed this as a right guaranteed by our First Amendment rights to free speech and religious practice.
“However, once that right begins to impose a cost, whether financial or experiential, upon another citizen, that right ends. For with that cost, it becomes an imposition---a coercive force. A political force—in this case, Islamism.”
http://www.islam-watch.org/Jasser/Accommodation-Islamist-Political-Instr...
Rocket Dog
i dont see what the problem is.
1public schools spend ALOOOTTTT of extra class time during christian holiday seasons not doing any schoolwork, but celebrating. christmas time theres lots of caroling and santa stories and christmas crafts going on. as is the case around easter and halloween. this also includes watching special videos, movies, partying in the event of these occasions. and theres supposed to be this whole separation of church and state? so since children of the christian faith get to celebrate their occasions in school i dont see whats wrong with muslims spending *gasp* 15 whole minutes praying for the month of ramadan.
Interesting reads
2Sun_Sun: That is not true. In many--probably most--schools any references to Christianity or Christian holidays are verboten. They can't even call it the "Christmas" holiday. They generally don't have Good Friday off school.
Halloween is not a religious holiday, unless you consider the Mexican "Day of the Dead" activities religious.
Making special accommodations for one religion--particularly when you do not make comparable accommodations for others--constitutes establishment of religion, which is unconstitutional.
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3"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
I think it's interesting too, Lain. When it seems like all aspects of Christianity are being forced out, these things are being forced in. I, personally, think no religion should be within a public school. If I want my children to learn about my religion they will go to church, sunday school, vacation Bible school or a private school.
4At first I feel that Muslims, if they are citizens, should be given rights just like the rest of us. But then I feel that other non-Muslims are not even being given the rights they have had in the past so no, I don't think they should be given these special privileges esp. if they encroach on others rights.
Do children even get to say the pledge anymore? Because I think that is very important to hold onto as our traditions are broadened and opened up.
Separation of church and state, fine. But I would still like little Johnny to get to do crafts/and or parties for Xmas, Kwanzaa, Easter, Halloween, valentines, Ramadan and Hanukkah, etc. because I think those are important and good to recognize for all religions and celebrate with his classmates.
*As a side point, the school system is set up so that it is not in session on days when Jewish and Christian services normally meet. So if Muslims meet on Fridays, that is a bit tricky.
5There was a story in Cleveland a while back where a Muslim student sued her Catholic school because she was not permitted to wear her headscarf with her uniform. I will try to find a link.
6The source of these clippings is a bit on the bigoted side, "Seventh-graders at a San Francisco-area school were required, even after 9/11, to "become Muslims" for two full weeks as part of California's world history curriculum" --- and if you don't see the bigger problem with this sentence then I worry.
Secondly, these accomodations are nothing, a nonstory IMHO. Schools let out on Sunday, so Christian children get to go learn about their religion and attend mass - just like state schools accommodate the Christian schedule the Muslims and all other faiths should get the same courtesy. Sure Christian icons are being scrutinized in schools but they are still there - do you think it's a coincidence that "Winter Break" always covers Christmas? Or is it just lucky that Spring Break or Mid-Spring Break falls on Easter? Yet Muslim children get an unexcused absence during their big holidays b/c the system isn't built for them, and Jewish children only get the holidays that fall near Christmas and Easter - sounds so American huh?
Many US laws conform to Christianity, but no one complains about that, look at marriage laws - if I am an atheist why would gay marriage be wrong? Yet atheist gays have to submit to Christian beliefs on marriage. Likewise, Islam's marriage laws are different, but the governing law is still Christian - yet no complaints there.
As for the cashiers who won't scan pork and the taxi drivers refusing service, thats what, 30, 40, 100 US Muslims out of 3 MILLION? NY if full of Muslim taxi drivers, if this problem was so serious I doubt the NY taxi system would still function, not to mention it seems like tons of liquor/party stores are owned by Muslims. Same goes for the pork incident, it's small, small, small case of someone being too dramatic that people choose to make a national story while millions of other US Muslims have no problems doing their jobs. I would bet there are freaks in all religions around right now making a fuss about something or another - but the target right now is Muslims, so all the "look at what they are doing to us" articles are about them.
I think it's not fair to look at the accomodations others are getting and complain when you as a member of the majority ignore all the religious accomodations that are granted to you - you want to eliminate all religion from state - I disagree with that, but fine, at least that is a fair point, but when all the articles and all the focus are on the accomodations being granted to one group (mostly by private sectors) and when that group happens to be the public target at this point in time, I have a problem and I am somewhat offended.
7On a side note, I don't see having schools of on Sunday as necessarily a religious accommodation. It may have stemmed from religion initially, but, in my opinion, children don't go to school on Saturday and Sunday because parents don't work on Saturday or Sunday. It's more of a societal standard than something schools do to accommodate a particular religion.
8i agree lilkimbo. The societal standard however was partially set by religion, and partially influenced by worker's unions who pushed for a day off. am i right?
one thing that i thought of in regards to Muslims who come to America is this. In their home countries, there is little personal autonomy. you "be" what society and religion dictate that you be. Stepping outside of the lines, however innocent it may seem to us, is not encouraged and can be severely punished. So, when they come to America, this land where it's your inherent right to be whomever or whatever you want to be, they hold that notion dear. They think, here, it is my right to be/wear/do this, that or the other and no one can tell me not to. so it's ironic that they are still choosing to conform to certain religious restrictions, such as what they wear, prayer time, who they keep company with, pork handling, etc., and that they consider those behaviors an undeniable freedom. The point they are missing is that if their behavior infringes upon others, or goes against our culture as a whole, that they're really being intrusive and therefore overstepping their rights. intruding on the rights of the majority who live here. and that's another catch 22. we are a country that traditionally accepts oppressed people, and lets them be whatever they want to be. yet now it's becoming cumbersome for us. so where's the line? where can you draw it? like okay, you can be whatever you want to be here, until it inconveniences us. and that's a perfectly reasonable notion, that we not be inconvenienced. that's just my take on the whole thing. I hope it made some sense!
9Lainetb- with all do respect, i am not just speaking about what i dont know. i went to public school, as did my sister, as did my friends, and as do my nephew and niece now. there are assemblies every morning prior to the x-mas break where everyone sings carols. and theres the special xmas performance that each class has to do for the xmas concert. then theres the xmas party. and the movies (rudolph, the ghost of xmas past etc). then when comes easter theres much to do in regards to the easter bunny and what not. theres a halloween shindig where u go around in ur costume around the school. not to mention the whole valentines celebration. so since muslim children usually participate in all of these things alongwith their classmates, i dont see why they cant have their own personal time one month in a year, without bothering their fellow classmates.
10Zeze: These are quite objective sources; I paid special attention to that. The quote with which you found fault was from a discussion on Snopes. It’s not a hard news source, but the facts remain. Do the substitution test to see how acceptable this “education” is: Say that kids were expected to be Catholic for two weeks. They have to be baptized and confirmed, profess their faith, and pray the rosary daily. Is that fair to the Jewish kids?
Schools are closed on weekends because it’s a western cultural thing, not a religious accommodation. You may say that’s based on Christian tradition. So be it, this was founded as a Christian nation, deal with it. I believe (don’t quote me) that the “Sundays off” rule goes back to feudal England, when the Catholic church pressed landowners to give the serfs a break (probably so that the priests could reinforce their hold over them). (I think I saw that on the History channel.) It’s *not* a special accommodation for a new immigrant group.
As for holidays, there are other mid-winter holidays. The winter solstice also falls around December 21. There’s New Year’s, too. The timing of holidays goes back a long way. There are midwinter holidays, for instance, because uneducated peasants needed a spot of celebration in the middle of the long, cold, dark winter to remind them that spring would eventually come. Some holidays are based around the growing season.
Also, our local school calendar has days off for some of the Jewish holidays, although they don’t “advertise” it as such.
If I take a job, I’m agreeing to perform the services that are included in that job. If I refuse to do so, or if I expect someone else do perform some of them for me, that’s dishonest and unfair. I should find a different job that agrees more with my temperament. (One reason why I’m now in an education-related field instead of defense.) And principles are not predicated on numbers. If only one person violates a law, it does not invalidate that law.
Sun_Sun: You must live somewhere outside California. It sounds like your local schools are the exception, not the general rule. My daughter was scolded in second grade (she just graduated high school) for writing in a class exercise that Christmas is Jesus’ birthday. You can’t generalize based just on your local experience.
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11"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
Santa and Rudolph and the Easter bunny have nothing to do with Christians.
12If you want your beliefs - great go to a religious based school. Catholics and Jews do and their beliefs are respected in those schools and followed. Yeshivas let out early on Fridays for the Sabbath. I have seen jewish women in my neighborhood jogging with long skirts over their jogging pants to follow the belief in modesty (which is the same in Islam). We here have separation of church and state. Several states do not recognize the Jewish holidays and they take it as an absence. The muslims are playing on fear here and in Britain where their demands in public funded schools are getting out of hand. They got upset in Britain because of a postcard sent out with a crime fighting dog (who was sooo cute). The police department had to apologize. They do not want drug sniffing dogs near them. Muslim criminals wore burkas to evade international customs and escape. The Muslim taxi cab drivers refuse to pick up the blind because of their seeing eye dogs. Muslims want their women's driver license photos of them wearing veils. You want to live in western society then adjust or go to a country that abides by your ways. When you move into a western society you can not dictate and have your ways followed at the expense of ours. We can accommodate some but now its being pushed to a point beyond reasonable. PC will be the end of us.
13samantha: A big second to all you said!
We cannot respect Muslim special requests without also respecting Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, and other special requests. Otherwise we are favoring one religion over others, and that is unconstitutional.
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14But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -- John Adams
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