Biden on Sunday said to donors in Seattle: This is long but worth the read. As scary as all this is, apparently it is not worth covering, yet Obama vacationing and Palin's wardrobe is.
“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you - not financially to help him - we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
“Gird your loins,” Biden told the crowd. “We’re gonna win with your help, God willing, we’re gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It’s like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy.”
“I’ve forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I’m not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it. This guy has it. But he’s gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.”
“There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, ‘Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don’t know about that decision’,” Biden continued. “Because if you think the decision is sound when they’re made, which I believe you will when they’re made, they’re not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they’re popular, they’re probably not sound.”
Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden “alive and well” and Pakistan “bristling with nuclear weapons.”
“You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region,” Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. “The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it’s real.”
“We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes,” he cautioned. “It’s so much more important than that. It’s so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it.”
“I probably shouldn’t have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here,” he joked.
“All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place,” he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. “We have the ability to straighten it out. It’s gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us.”
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Please share your thoughts on this.
1I can't believe Citizen wouldn't post this for you.
2Biden sure knows how to sell his ticket...
I can't believe this isn't all over the news. It is just further testament to how propaganda our media is. This is scary. This should make EVERYONE open up their eyes. This is the man's vp!! The man who didn't even support him in the primaries.
3It's really frustrating. This is one of the more interesting election stories I've heard in a while, but instead we're stuck hearing about GOP and it's 'socialist' name calling?
4Exactly
5You guys aren't really surprised that this kind of stuff isn't covered by the MSM or Liberty or Citizen? They are all so blinded by Obama and so ignorant to the truth it's scary.
6I'd think Citizen would at least pretend to be interested... =/
7I sent her the tip. I tried.
8I heard about this on talk radio, and they included a soundbite from Tom Brokaw (I think) discussing it on a TV show and even he said that if Sarah Palin had said something like that she would have been crucified. I'm going to start my own site to combat this horrendous news coverage. It's called Citizen Sucrose. I hope you will all join me when it launches, and again when I'm thrown in jail for setting fire to the Sugar HQ.
...that threat feels kind of familiar. Have I already vowed to commit arson in order to avenge my politics? Or was that a peace protester? I'm going on almost no sleep, people.
9To me the scariest thing about this election is how no one seems to be willing to take an honest look at Obama. (Besides the conservatives I mean.) Isn't Biden basically saying they will be making some decisions that won't make sense but we are supposed to go along with them anyway? What is he trying to lay the groundwork for?
10I know.
11I know.
Sarah would have been nailed to the wall.
But the MSM is zooming right by it.
Screaming bogus polls.
It kills me!
I have heard this in the media but it has mostly bewnform McCain and Palin using parts of the speech to attack Biden and Obama. Thank you for posting the whole thing! I think Biden is saying that the world is in crisis and the next president is going to have to deal with this crisis. He is not saying that because Obama is president the world will test him, he is saying that he knows that the Obama Biddn team is the right team to deal with this crisis.
12so then what did he mean when he said this:
"Mark my words, It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy."
That seems awfully specific...
13I think it is important for all of us to read articles like this about either candidate. Thank you for sharing it!
This article does not "scare" me one bit, instead it solidifies my vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. I agree with Biden 100% that we have been put in harms way by the current administration, and I am glad that Obama and Biden are up front about what is going on rather then sugar coating information just to win this election. I think what he said illustrates just how up front Obama and Biden have been with their supporters.
Just my opinion...
14"Obama vacationing"?????
15excuse me. he went to visit his ailing grandmother. have a little compassion.
First of all you guys this has been all over the news! They are covering it. Even the ultra liberal MSNBC was covering it last night.
I want to ask this question to you all: What is so wrong with what he said??
16If is gma was so sick, why did he wait until late yesterday to head to HI? Seems weird to me.
Biden is the Republicans' best friend.
17obama is not going to be "tested" and "fail" if that's what you think biden was implying with this. he was saying that whomever the winner is, he is going to be tested... and it's going to be difficult. that we are in a huge mess that's going to take work to get out of, and sacrifice from the american people. i don't see what the big deal is about this quote.
would you rather he said "we can do this - we can fix energy and health care all in our first year in office" - like john mccain's ridiculous claim in the second debate? i second shooger's remark... i'd rather hear the truth than hear a sugar coated, sound byte.
18girlbassist: so if it seems so fishy to you, what do you think obama is really doing? running away from his poll numbers that are in some cases TEN points ABOVE mccains? creating a diversion from the fact that he's actually WINNING in swing states and traditionally republican states? i'm confused. what does he have to escape from for two days? ugh. i can't believe you'd imply that he's lying about his dying grandmother. jeez.
19I thought that you guys said the families should be off limits?
20who talked about families?
21"If is gma was so sick, why did he wait until late yesterday to head to HI? Seems weird to me."
Isn't his grandmother considered family?
22Wouldn't that be more of a speculation about Obama than his family? His grandmother isn't the point in that statement.
23I'm really not trying to be argumentative --- I just haven't had coffee yet, what comment number was that?
24ha. ok I see it now, NM
25I guess we'll have to wait for the bassist to answer than one SL.
26foxie i think that's being a bit of a rhetorical relativist... if that's not a term i just invented it... anyway, no, obama's grandmother is not the point of the remark, but it's still below the belt. it's been widely reported that obama's grandmother raised him, and one of the biggest regrets of his life was not going to his mother's bedside while she was dying - so now he has to do this. to claim that it's somehow some kind of cynical ploy is ridiculous. if anything it could damage his campaign as we are in the final stretch here.
27Bush was tested very soon after he was elected right? I am not sure what the big deal is here? I get the feeling that some of you here not all think that Biden is hinting that he knows something about the future. Really?
28For me, it's like laying the groundwork for something --- perhaps a huge failure, so when and if it does happen, they can go back to this speech and say, we told you so.
29I don't doubt his grandmother is sick, I just think when people say "leave families out of it" it means we shouldn't attack families, not that we shouldn't ever talk about anything pertaining to the families. I'm arguing THAT point, not whether or not his grandmother is ill or how ill she is or why he just left to see her, etc.
30It just seems creepy that he would say that. Why would you say that, and how do you know? Do you want Obama to get elected or not? It struck me as irresponsible to say those kind of things, and that someone with his years of experience might be more careful with his words. I'm not going to be too worried about it, because he's known to talk like that. But I did notice and wonder what in the world he was thinking about when those words blew out of his mouth! Gee, you don't think ANYONE would be alarmed by bringing this up?
31He probably wasn't thinking Kris. He has been known to put his foot in his mouth from time to time. I do think that he is not to far off the mark in saying that the new pres will be tested very early on because there are already so many issues that have to be dealt with.
32syako, i think if anyone should be "girding their loins" for failure it should be the mccain campaign. of course a lot can happen in 11 days, we've seen our last two elections turn out quite differently than most expected... but i really don't think obama is only visiting his dying grandmother to have an excuse for losing the election.
33I never said he was
And I don't really get your comment.
Biden's not talking about losing the election, he's talking about a huge monumental crisis and/or attack within a year of an Obama administration.
34ohhh, sorry... i thought you were referring to obama's trip to hawaii... sorry.
35I personally think that he's setting the groundwork for all of this to get worse before it gets better. There seems to be a constant logical fallacy at play in which the current administration gets blamed for everything that happens on day 1, completely ignoring the concept of cause and effect.
As a side note, I was talking to one of my Northern Virginia Conservative friends last night. (Yes, it's true - a Republican in fake Virginia!
) We both made a commitment to support the opposing party if they were sworn in. In other
words, if McCain asks me to plant a victory garden or ration sugar, I will. If Obama asks her to inflate her tires, she will.
I know we all disagree on many things and that this has been a heated campaign. But once this is over I hope we can at least try to give whoever makes it in office the benefit of the doubt and try to support them.
36I totally agree with the second part of your post, pop.
37Whoever wins is my Commander in Chief and deserves my respect.
-So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.”
“There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, ‘Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don’t know about that decision’,” Biden continued. -
To me those comments indicate he thinks Obama will do choose to do some unpopular things that will have people scratching their heads. I have no idea if he means that the hard core left or the middle of the road supporters. I do think it's strange to be talking about it now.
38Now that is something I totally agree with!
39Wow, it's early and I have a lot of typos!
40A victory garden!
41Inflating your tires should definitely be a bipartisan effort.
Not only do you keep
your car in good shape, you are making the road safer for yourself and others if you can prevent a flat. Grandpas everywhere would approve.
42comment 37 not 38.
43Maybe the new Pres could do something like this:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ask-president-carter/3824058446
44bren - it looks like we could all use a coffee run
45I don't agree that the news and media are ignoring this story. Certainly Citizen Sugar is, but I have seen this story being run on CNN and local news for days. And I've read stories about it on yahoo news and I think Google news. I think I may have even seen it mentioned on HuffPo? But perhaps Salon? Not sure about that one.
I think Biden should send Palin flowers for distracting the world from his ranting gaffes. Seriously, if the VP pick on the Right had been Romney, I think all eyes would be on Biden. But because Palin is still some what of a novelty, people are just more interested in her.
I'm not sure what he is trying to say, but I think it is very likely that either candidate will be tested by an international incident early in his first term. I think they are likely to be tested just because people (meaning terrorist or adversarial countries) will want to know what they will be dealing with when some one besides Bush is in the White House.
46I think Biden is using foresight given the volatility in the middleast and the destabilization of that region by our endless occupation. I don't see what is ominous about this speech at all, he clearly stated more than once his confidence that Obama could handle any task that might come his way. I do think Citizen should have posted this story though. It certainly is just as relevant as Palin's wardrobe allowance.
47see I disagree. And I hope I'm right AND wrong on this one. I think it's pretty clear how McCain feels about the military and using military force when necessary --- and the fact that 4/5 of active-duty military people think that John would be better running the wars than Obama, I don't feel like I'm just pulling this out of nowhere.
On the other hand, B.O. well we don't really know. He said at first he'd sit down without preconditions, he seems to be taking that back a bit now (convenient) but I don't really know how he would respond since he does not have experience doing so.
But I hope I am wrong on that one, because if B.O. is elected, I hope no harm is done to anyone anywhere because of it.
48What experience does McCain have responding to war other than having been a captured fighter pilot? Having served in the military doesn't necessarily give you the experience needed to engage a country in war. I would have to disagree with you completely and say that what we need now is more diplomacy not more war. We see where that has gotten us.
49OK well that's going to be a tangent post that we're just not going to hash over here.
I do think that a commander in chief who has served in the military has a huge advantage over someone who has not. Plain and simple. And if you want to see the study about active duty military, then go to Haus's blog which links the military times. www.teamsugar.com/group/974220/blog/2392392
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