***PUBLIC POST***
ok, I'm posting like crazy. There's alot of interesting/scary stories out there in this messed up world that we live in. We have to stay informed. 
Police: Mumbai gunmen came by sea from Pakistan
MUMBAI, India – The gunmen who attacked Mumbai set out by boat from the Pakistani port of Karachi, then later hijacked an Indian fishing trawler that carried them toward this financial capital on their suicide mission, a top police official said Tuesday.
As evidence of the militants' links to Pakistan mounted, Mumbai police commissioner Hasan Ghafoor said ex-Pakistani army officers trained the group — some for up to 18 months — and denied reports the men had been planning to escape the city.
"It appears that it was a suicide attack," Ghafoor said, providing no other details about when the gunmen left Karachi, or when they hijacked the trawler.
The revelations came as a senior U.S. official said India received a warning from the United States that militants were plotting a waterborne assault on Mumbai. The Bush administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of intelligence information, would not elaborate on the timing or details of the U.S. warning.
The Indian government is already facing intense public accusations of security and intelligence failures after suspected Muslim militants carried out the three-day attack across Mumbai last week, killing at least 172 people and wounding 239.
Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee also said his country gave a list of about 20 people — including India's most-wanted man — to Pakistan's high commissioner to New Delhi on Monday.
India stepped up the pressure on its neighbor after interrogating the only surviving attacker, who told police that he and the other nine gunmen had trained for months in camps in Pakistan operated by the banned Pakistani militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba. On Tuesday, U.S. officials also pointed the finger at Pakistani-based groups, although they did not specifically mention Lashkar.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is to arrive Wednesday, and the U.S. is pressuring Islamabad to cooperate in the investigation of the siege that paralyzed Mumbai and left six Americans dead.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said extremists were "apparently targeting Americans and Britons, but the truth is that most of those who were attacked were Indians."
Gates also told a Pentagon news conference that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, was headed to the region.
Of greater concern for India was the apparent failure to act on multiple warnings ahead of the Mumbai attacks, which Indian navy chief Sureesh Mehta called "a systemic failure."
India's foreign intelligence agency also had warnings as recently as September that Pakistan-based terrorists were plotting attacks on Mumbai, according to a government intelligence official familiar with the matter.
The information, intercepted from telephone conversations apparently coming out of Pakistan, indicated that hotels might be targeted but did not specify which ones, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk publicly about the details.
The information was relayed to domestic security authorities, but it was unclear whether the government acted on the intelligence.
The Taj Mahal hotel, scene of much of the bloodshed, had tightened security with metal detectors and other measures in the weeks before the attacks, after being warned of a possible threat.
But the precautions "could not have stopped what took place," Ratan Tata, chairman of the company that owns the hotel, told CNN. "They (the gunmen) didn't come through that entrance. They came from somewhere in the back."
The building was the last to be cleared, following the Oberoi hotel, the Jewish center, and other sites struck in this city of 18 million.
India said evidence from the interrogation of the surviving attacker, Ajmal Qasab, pointed to Lashkar, which was outlawed in 2002 in Pakistan under U.S. pressure.
Ghafoor said the gunmen were trained by ex-Pakistani army officers.
Qasab told police his group trained for about six months in Lashkar camps in Pakistan, learning close-combat techniques, hostage-taking, handling of explosives, satellite navigation, and high-seas survival, according to two Indian security officials familiar with the investigation. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to give details.
Qasab told investigators the militants hijacked an Indian vessel and killed three crew members, keeping the captain alive long enough to guide them toward Mumbai. The men then came ashore at two places, officials said.
For the first time, the U.S. also said there is reason to suspect that the terror attacks were the work of a group at least partly based in Pakistan.
The remarks, from a senior State Department official, did not detail the evidence, and did not single out any terrorist organization, but they were the closest a U.S. official has come to laying blame for the assaults.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is under way, was careful to say that the evidence was not all in.
Nevertheless, India has demanded action from Islamabad and summoned Pakistan's high commissioner to India on Monday night, giving him a list of "those persons who are settled in Pakistan and who are fugitives of Indian law," said the Indian foreign minister, Mukherjee.
India also has demanded that Pakistan take "strong action" against those responsible for the attacks.
India presented Islamabad with a similar list after the 2001 attack on India's parliament. But while tensions then between the nuclear-armed nations escalated so rapidly that many feared imminent war, the talk this time has been more subdued.
"Nobody is talking about military action," Mukherjee said Tuesday, according to the Press Trust of India news agency.
However, he later appeared to backtrack, telling the NDTV news channel that "every sovereign country has the right to protect its territorial integrity and take appropriate action."
Pakistan also seemed to be taking initial steps to comply.
Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi offered to establish a joint investigation with India and said the government wanted to continue a peace process begun in 2004 and broadened this year to include cooperation in fighting terrorism.
"We are examining it, we are considering it, and after consultation we will give a reply," Qureshi said of the list. "We do not want to do anything which could fan tension. We want to de-escalate matters."
He said he had told India, "We will fully cooperate with you, so that we can reach the bottom."
Topping India's list is Dawood Ibrahim, a powerful gangster and the alleged mastermind of 1993 Mumbai bombings, India's most deadly, which killed 257 people. Ibrahim fled to Dubai and later to Karachi. Pakistan has denied he is now in the country.
Several members of the list are wanted in the 1993 attacks, apparently carried out in retaliation for the demolition of a 16th century mosque by Hindu nationalists in northern India.
The other prime fugitive on the list is Masood Azhar, a suspected terrorist freed from an Indian prison in exchange for the release of hostages aboard an Indian jet hijacked to Afghanistan in 1999.
India has listed Azhar, the head of the Jaish-e-Mohammed militant group, as the "principal accused" in the attack on parliament.
India also demanded the leaders of two Kashmiri militant groups, Hezb-ul-Mujahedeen and Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, and several leaders of an uprising by Sikhs.
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***I seriously HOPE that India and Pakistan won't be at war in the near future. It scares me. But, I can understand why India is angry. Tensions are high at their homefront. The gov't didn't protect their people and the Pakistani gov't is really not helping at all. It's basically the blame game with these two countries. Hopefully, it won't escalate into a nuclear war.
What are your thoughts?
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The government in New Delhi steadfastly maintains a wall of separation between law-enforcement agencies like the one that used to separate the FBI and CIA before the Patriot Act, and keeps counterterrorist units underfunded and undermanned. It has repeatedly given way to the demands of Islamic radical groups and fundamentalist lobbyists in the name of “cultural sensitivity.” India was the first non-Islamic country to ban Salman Rushdie’s Satanic Verses back in 1988.
India has no preventive detention laws; no laws to protect the identity of anti-terrorist witnesses; and no laws to allow domestic wiretapping without court order. In 2004, the new Congress Party government revoked India’s version of the Patriot Act, even as the Indian media was loudly condemning the U.S. for “torture” at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib.
In short, the Indian government has waged the war on terror in much the same way that liberals and many Democrats have been urging the U.S. to carry it out. The result is that more than 4,000 Indians have died in attacks since 2004 — more than any other nation in the war on terror besides Iraq.
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GREAT info Grandpa. I had no idea.
But, sadly you are right. They need to get their act together and they need to start protecting
their citizens more from Terrorists. The terrorists are seeing all of these loopholes within their gov't and within their security and they are using it to their advantage.
Hopefully, India will wake up before something even BIGGER than this tragedy happens.
2According to what you said Grandpa, I hope this isn't an omen of what might be coming for us with a new LIBERAL group of leaders at the helm come January with their similar lax mindset about how to handle terrorism.
Imagine sitting at a pool on a beach here in the US at a 5 Star hotel & have some blood thirsty group of savages float up & bring mayhem to us.
3Based on the appointments announced in the area of Defence and Homeland Security, along with Secretary. of state. I think we will see a continuation of the bush foreign policy with regards to terrorism.
4I wouldn't bet on that Grandpa. Gates is staying on for continuity but wont be a long term Secretary...and as far as Hillary goes, my recollection is that the Clintons do NOT like the military. She has cameleon traits.
But the real problem is their BOSS. He is a known, certified LIBERAL. Voted liberal (when he voted) and there's little else known about how he will ultimately bend but to please his base & major contributors, it will be just how far left it will be.
I predict that a lot of the harsh Bush critics will have to eat their words one day. The man did NOT bend on terrorism and protecting us. That is one of the primary reasons we in the US have been safe on our homeland from attacks. The bad guys know he will actually do what he says--get em!
5I agree Pam. I think the new regime will relax many of the policies put in place to keep America safe.
6Only time will tell, hope springs eternal
7There is an additional catch22 to this. The US might put pressure on India to step back because pakistan has already stated if it has to deal with India it will pull its forces from the Afghanistan border. Pakistan gov't one way or another has their hands in this tragedy and it will be blamed by the MSM on either the west or kashmir. The other word on this is that according to EU sources several of theses homicidal maniacs all met and were schooled in Britain which is becoming a hot bed of islamic terror.
Clinton is not the biggest worry its his homeland security appointment. She must have done something major to get that.
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"Enjoy life, it's ungrateful not to." - Ronald Reagan
Wow.
9I heard about this.
It's completely frightening.
Thanks for the extra info Grandpa.
I had no idea.
Great background Grandpa, Thanks!
Pamela, I agree, *except* that I don't believe there's anything that could get the libs to see that--whatever his faults--Bush succeeded in preventing further attacks on American soil and minimized risk to American interests abroad.
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville
Also, it appears that all the details may not be in yet regarding this story.
From Reuters, Wed Dec 3, 2008 8:50am EST:
Explosive devices were found and defused at Mumbai's main railway station on Wednesday, Indian television channels reported.
The station was one of the sites attacked last week by militants.
Police said a bomb squad was at the station but nothing had yet been found.
Maharashtra state chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh was due to visit the station on Wednesday evening, NDTV reported.
CNN/IBN said the device could have been planted on Nov 26, the day that the attacks on Mumbai started.
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville
skb, Samantha & Laine & Grandpa -- all great points...guess time will tell what is in our future but it just makes me shiver if BO doesn't confront these monsters head-on with all our barrels firing at them.
Not to sound paranoid but I think they are all over our country waiting in for the signal to strike. Esp living in a major city like NYC or DC is unsettling. I'm very ready to pack it up & go to a cabin in the Blue Ridge Mts!
12Pamela, I agree. I am sure there are cells entrenched in the US, just waiting....
I already asked my husband if he thought the Unabomber's cabin was available for a four-year lease.
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The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville
Laine! Unabomber's cabin would be perfect --- esp based on how long it took our government to locate him. I say let's all meet there after Shops big slumber party in Florida! directions please! lol!
Chan, sorry I missed your post above & totally agree, it is frightening.
Hope our novice Pres Elect takes a harder line on terrorism than he did while campaigning to win votes from all his "tree hugging, bleeding hearts" on the liberal sites here.
I'm still not over the fact that we voted in a man with such a "thin resume" since we are at war.
14LOL Pam.
15Pam, with your luck the terrorists will have an established training camp just down the road from you.
16yep Grandpa, think they are my new neighbors up the road with 15 Hummers in their driveway. no kidding- these folks have more Hummers than I have ever seen in one driveway!
but since I live in a right to carry state- I'll stand a fighting chance when they stampede this way!
17Here is my card, it reads "Have gun will travel"
18Grandpa, now I see they are in YOUR neighborhood!!!...........
19We have a way of rooting terrorists out. Every summer we have all the ladies of the neighborhood walk thhrough our community naked. Any house that does not have a guy siting out front in a lawn chair and a beer, is immediatly interrogated, and driven out as Al-Quida suspects.
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