Not to pick on Cali today, but I saw this article and it related to a previous post from grandpa, so I figured it relevant.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090112/ap_on_re_us/fleeing_california_3
Go East, young man? Californians look for the exit
By MICHAEL R. BLOOD, Associated Press Writer – Mon Jan 12, 5:40 pm ET
AP – Mike Reilly poses for a portrait while working on converting a camper into a moving trailer outside his …
LOS ANGELES – Mike Reilly spent his lifetime chasing the California dream. This year he's going to look for it in Colorado.
With a house purchase near Denver in the works, the 38-year-old engineering contractor plans to move his family 1,200 miles away from his home state's lemon groves, sunshine and beaches. For him, years of rising taxes, dead-end schools, unchecked illegal immigration and clogged traffic have robbed the Golden State of its allure.
Is there something left of the California dream?
"If you are a Hollywood actor," Reilly says, "but not for us."
Since the days of the Gold Rush, California has represented the Promised Land, an image celebrated in the songs of the Beach Boys and embodied by Silicon Valley's instant millionaires and the young men and women who achieve stardom in Hollywood.
But for many California families last year, tomorrow started somewhere else.
The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.
The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.
California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S.
A losing streak that long hasn't happened in California since the recession of the early 1990s, when departures outstripped arrivals from other states by 362,000 in 1994 alone.
In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.
Why are so many looking for an exit?
Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.
With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.
Median housing prices have nose-dived one-third from a 2006 peak, but many homes are still out of reach for middle-class families. Some small towns are on the brink of bankruptcy. Normally recession-proof Hollywood has been hit by layoffs.
"You see wages go down and the cost of living go up," Reilly says. His property taxes will be $1,300 in Colorado, down from $4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo, about 80 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara.
California's obituary has been written before — "California: The Endangered Dream" was the title of a 1991 Time magazine cover story. The Golden State and its huge economy — by itself, the eighth-largest in the world — have shown resilience, weathering the aerospace bust, the dot-com crash and an energy crunch in recent years.
But this time, the news just keeps getting worse.
A state board halted lending for about 2,000 public works projects in California worth more than $16 billion because the state could not afford them. A report by Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., last month said the state lost 100,000 jobs in the last year and the erosion of home prices eliminated over $1 trillion in wealth.
"I don't think the California dream, per se, is over. It has become and will continue to become grittier," says New America Foundation senior fellow Gregory Rodriguez. "Now, perhaps, we have to reassess the California of our imagination."
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is among those who say the state needs to create itself anew, rebuilding roads, schools and transit.
"We've lived off the investments our parents made in the '50s and '60s for a long time," says Tim Hodson, director of the Center for California Studies at California State University, Sacramento. "We're somewhat in the position of a Rust Belt state in the 1970s."
Financial adviser Barry Hartz lived in California for 60 years and once ran for state Assembly before relocating with his wife last year to Colorado Springs, Colo., where his son's family had moved.
"The saddest thing I saw was the escalation of home prices to the point our kids, when they got married, could not live in the community where they lived and grew up," Hartz says. "Some people call that progress."
No Romeo
I hope they all don't go to denver!
1Lol. Sy they are already all over Colorado. Soon they will make their way up to Utah and Wyoming. Wyoming is one of my all time favorite states. I want a house there someday.
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
2Well, I'm not terribly happy with Cali lately, but you can count me out for Denver. I like oxygen. And I don't like the Broncos.
3Sigh. I just want CO to be a red state again.
4How interesting!
I would never have thought it.
Thank you for posting this.
Cine: Wyoming does seem beautiful!
5I already ranted over on the other post, but there's one additional complication I didn't mention.
Look at a post-election map of the state. The people are very divided.
The coast is blue, and the interior is red.
From 2008: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/pres/map010000000000.htm
6From 2004: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/pres/map010000000000.htm
:rotlf: Jude. Also less months out of the year to BBQ then in San Diego!
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
7Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
8Front page on my newspaper today in fact!
I'm with Jude. I don't like the Bronco's either. Green Bay perhaps?
9Colts!!!
10I like them too. Being A Raiders fan, you have to have a few backups.
11Ahhh...yeah, you do need backups.
All my backups are out for the year, so I'm irked.
12I am a giant Baseball fan, but a complete fair weather football fan. I just root for whatever New York team goes the furthest.
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
13The Giants are good, but that game on Sunday was just...
14My husband is from California. We visit but not interested in moving back there.
Coincidently, Laine & I were just discussing this very subject recently so I'll be interested to read her comments if she has the opportunity to post.
15I did not watch the game. I don't have any television, but I can guess they did something to your team that you did not like.
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
16No, they were the team I liked. 3 field goals and a safety were all they got. It was pathetic.
17Sy - I couldn't believe that Colorado, my beloved home state, was anything but red in this election.
I love the Broncos. They just picked up the Pats offensive coordinator as their new head coach. I'm hoping for good things.
18Oh. Sorry Jude. I just can't wait for baseball to start!
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
19There is a huge contingency of California transplants in Colorado. I personally know five people who have moved from San Diego to Denver in the last year and a half alone. That combined with the growing Hispanic population will make Colorado solidly blue for years to come. Democratic governor, majority in the state legislature, five of seven members of the house (I think), and two senators.
20My humble observation of what is happening and I'm NOT trying to be combative-just the way I SEE it...
My example: the blue state of California has so many problems as a result of very liberal politics that many people opt to move out to more rural states. Without analyzing the reasons they fled, they vote for the same liberal thinking politicians -- then turn the Red state Blue. (Not picking on just California but for the sake of example)
I want lower taxes, less regulation on small businesses, safe neighborhoods, excellent education, 2nd Ammendment rights, legal immigration, you know... just a wonderful place here in the USA to call my home...
lived all over this country and can tell you that the most desirable places I've lived have those ammenities (Conservative).
21darn it.
pam - I agree wholeheartedly. I was telling my husband it doesn't matter right now when we're young, no house, no real assets that we live in a blue or red state (well with the exception of gun control laws). But as we get older, settle, build a beautiful house on a great piece of land, finally open up the business that we've been talking about starting for years now, then the fact that it's blue or red will play a HUGE role in our lives (property taxes, income taxes, business taxes, regulation, gun control, etc. etc. etc.)
22Sy, absolutely! where you decide to buy your home & settle down makes HUGE difference. Homesteading laws, no state income tax, friendlier regulatory business environment, lower taxes, litigation issues, the best possible education for your children...
(notice that most of our liberal Presidents do not send their children to DC public schools)
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23I didn't even think of litigation
24ladies an excellent colloquy
25I am a New Yorker and am hoping to return there after Nashville, but even if I did not love New York, mine and my husbands industry are in the VERY blue states.
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
26You in the prison business cine? (ok everyone, don't jump me! just a joke!!!)
27My guess Pam, if Cine was in that line of work, she would be writing from Maricopa county Arizona
28:roftl: Grandpa -just trying to imagine the most likely industry in a very BLUE state...
29Hmmm...do you sell organic shade grown hybrid sushi?
30True Song, my son owns a health food store, i am sure he can order it for you.
31Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
32I find it extremely reassuring to know there are Conservatives in that business!
33Cine,I wonder can you get me an autographed picture of Clint Eastwood?
34I live in california and agree with what was said in this article. I only live in California because this was where I was raised. Especially here in the central valley where I live, we are very conservative. But this area is like a vacuum, when you try to leave, it sucks you back in. I despise it here and would love to leave, but don't know how.
35The liberal politics have hijacked this state. California spends $20 billion per year on welfare alone. Yet our roads are crap. We pay 100% for illegal immigrants to have their babies here. Our medi-cal program also pays for women to have treatment for infertility. As if those people on welfare should actually try to have babies that will continue to have to be supported by the state for some time.
The state also has the highest workers compensation premiums, which has forced a number of business to move to other states, which is what has contributed a great deal. I think the exodus of people have gone primarily to states within close proximity to CA- oregon Utah, colorado, arizona and nevada. See this article
www.allbusiness.com/labor-employment/workers-compensation-workers-costs/...
"They just picked up the Pats offensive coordinator as their new head coach. I'm hoping for good things."
Just make sure he doesn't take with him his past head coach's habit of cheating. No need to sully the good name of the Broncos.
36UD - I had forgotten all about that scandal!
37Hainan57, speaking of how stupid California can be with regards to benefits. A friend of my son was laid off in California. He worked in the communication field, and jobs are scarce there right now. He is entitled to 54 weeks of unemployment. He figured it might be best for him to do a career change. He wanted to enroll in a LPN program, get a job in nursing, and then let his new employer fund his RN schooling. The UIB office told him if he took any classes he would not be available for work, and all benefits would cease. The upshot, he is siting back for the next year. That is real helpful for him, the taxpayer, and meet the need for health care professionals.
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