Some Guantanamo prisoners could be released in U.S.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Some of the Guantanamo Bay prisoners could be released into the United States while others could be put on trial in the American court system, Attorney General Eric Holder said on Wednesday.
Holder, who was chosen by President Barack Obama to lead the administration's efforts to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba within a year, said the review of what to do with each of the prisoners had begun.
About 240 terrorism suspects, including suspected planners of the September 11 attacks, are being held in the prison. Many have been detained for seven years without charges and some were subjected to interrogation techniques denounced by critics as torture.
The administration faces intense political resistance to the idea of bringing the prisoners to the United States as part of closing the detention camp. The administration seeks to transfer some detainees to Europe or other countries while freeing others.
Holder told reporters at the Justice Department that the administration's review, made on a case-by-case basis, would determine whether the prisoners need to be put on trial or whether they can be released.
"For those who are in that second category, who can be released, there are a variety of options that we have. Among them is the possibility that we could release them into this country," he said.
Holder said it was possible the 17 Chinese Muslims who have been held for years at Guantanamo, and two or three others prisoners, could be freed in the United States.
The 17 members of the Uighur ethic group have been cleared for release but have nonetheless remained at Guantanamo while the United States tries to find a country willing to take them. The U.S. government has said it cannot return them to China because they would face persecution there.
"We've been trying to come up with places for them," Holder said of the Uighurs. Their lawyers have asked Obama to bring them to the United States.
Holder met earlier this week with European Union leaders, and urged them to take some of the Guantanamo prisoners. They questioned why they should take some of the detainees if the United States does not make similar efforts to take some.
The European leaders asked for the information the United States has on the prisoners, including details about their backgrounds.
Holder called that a reasonable request and said making the information available to the European countries could help ease their concerns.
He said the administration was looking at the possibility of putting some of the Guantanamo prisoners on trial in U.S. courts. "My guess is that some of those people would be tried in" the U.S. court system, he said.
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Change you can believe in, I feel much safer now.
1Oh. Great.
2I totally expected this to happen when Obama took office. That's why I said I was going to build a bunker and live in it. I was only half-joking at the time. There goes my pool money fund. Scary stuff.
3Its rumored Ireland will take them. I guess the IRA needs tutors.
4Also I just read the "American taliban" will have his restrictions taken off and now he can tell "his side of the story" -can't wait
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Well doesn't this news just add to the ever growing pile (of sheet). O happy days!
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5An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
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I am guessing that the ones that Ireland will agree to take will be those that would persecuted in China. It will be interesting to follow though.
6I think so. The Uighur group is Chinese muslim and occupy old land in western china. We are talking been there forever. They are known for their horses.
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"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
Ireland has been known for it's horses, going back to Roman Times. The grass over there is rich in calcium, and produced remarkably sturdy and quick animals.
8speaking of horses- where is my pony?
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In the lower field, Pam, waiting for you to come over and pick her up.
10Great now I have to go all the way out west and ride her home. That is going to be one tired pony.
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Oblahma strikes again.
12heard on the radio that Obama is clearing out all the terrorist locked up in Gitmo but replacing Gitmo with AIG and other horrible Capitalist executives.
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13An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
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Sam, you can use the horse trailer, just bring it back before the Summer.
14Pam, there is no way Obama is going to put his campaign contributors in GITMO.
15you're right Grandpa! how could I be so gullible! Capitalists pay the bills-- why of course.
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16An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
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Piper, I think you could put a pool in your bunker. Might as well live underground in style!
It seems apparent that we aren't going to have a choice in whether we get any Gitmo detainees here. Other countries are looking at us and asking, "If they aren't so bad, why don't you take them?" I'd be asking the same thing if I was them.
Laura, 'Oblahma...' Gotta love it.
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17"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson
Has anyone read what Colin Powell's former chief of staff says about the 'terrorist' detainees? Here's from an AP story today - his whole article is at Washingtonnote.com:
"Many detainees locked up at Guantanamo were innocent men swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants, a former Bush administration official said Thursday. "There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."
Wilkerson, who first made the assertions in an Internet posting on Tuesday, told the AP he learned from briefings and by communicating with military commanders that the U.S. soon realized many Guantanamo detainees were innocent but nevertheless held them in hopes they could provide information for a "mosaic" of intelligence.
"It did not matter if a detainee were innocent. Indeed, because he lived in Afghanistan and was captured on or near the battle area, he must know something of importance," Wilkerson wrote in the blog. He said intelligence analysts hoped to gather "sufficient information about a village, a region, or a group of individuals, that dots could be connected and terrorists or their plots could be identified."
Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel, said vetting on the battlefield during the early stages of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan was incompetent with no meaningful attempt to discriminate "who we were transporting to Cuba for detention and interrogation."
Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman, declined to comment on Wilkerson's specific allegations but noted that the military has consistently said that dealing with foreign fighters from a wide variety of countries in a wartime setting was a complex process."
18So, I guess Bush's administration figured that they had built this brand new facility at Gitmo, and told our troops, what the heck, just pick up the first 300 people you find, and send them to GITMO? There are two types still in GITMO, first are men dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization, and the second, are those they can not send back to their home country for fear of persecution like Uighurs from China. This crap about "chain of custody" on a battlefield is ludicrous. Obama, and the democrats will have committed political suicide if one of those let go here in the U.S. commits another act of terrorism.
19"Obama, and the democrats will have committed political suicide if one of those let go here in the U.S. commits another act of terrorism."
Without a doubt. And I imagine they will still try to blame it on Bush.
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It's Powell's chief of staff saying it Grandpa and if you read the article, the Pentagon doesn't contradict him.
21Certainly it will be political suicide for Obama if one of them does commit AN (can't say 'another' because of lack of previous convictions) act of terrorism - but what's a nation of laws to do now? The longer we hold innocent people prisoner, the more likely they are to want to harm us.
Return them to their own countries. The problem is most of those countries don't want them. Should we just send them to SF??
22I did read the article Steph, SO WHAT!!!!!!
Lawrence Wilkerson is not the Pope, and can not speak "ex cathedra". Of course Wikerson has no agenda, he is pure logic.
23Steph - How would you feel if a detainee from Gitmo was released into your community?
24Wow. Imagine the tongue lashing someone would get if they responded to an article you pointed out in such a manner.
25Wilkerson's probably lying and the Bush Administration had good reasons for never bringing all those people to trial and just telling us they were the worst of the worst. But I don't think Wilkerson's 'pure logic': at least he seems to think that the information he's sharing comes from fellow military personnel actually involved with the detainees. From actually speaking with them and reading their reports, not watching them from a distance and drawing conclusions.
Trixie, I could live with it. No one's offered proof that every detainee at Gitmo is a terrorist, though there's lots of evidence that many aren't - or weren't before they were taken prisoner.
26So, by your own admission, detaining them at Gitmo could have turned them into terrorists yet you're ok with them living in your community. Personally, I don't want them in mine. The chance of dead bodies piling up is too great.
27Steph, I was responding to: "It's Powell's chief of staff saying it Grandpa and if you read the article, the Pentagon doesn't contradict him." You assumed that because I did not agree with you I could not have read the article. I happen to be well aware of Wilkerson, and believe he is about 3 steps above Harry Reid in his insightful understanding of The war in Iraq, and GITMO.
28Of course you do G'pa.
Of course holding them prisoner for years could make anyone angry enough to become terrorists Trixie, that doesn't mean we write them off as human beings. More than one person who has dealt with the detainees says that once an American is nice to them, and treats them humanely, they become less angry. We can't hold them prisoner forever to make sure that we never have to suffer any consequences of our actions.
29I guess steph only reads local news being a former washington dc journalist and all. But since i read the foreign dispatches i have read a different side to the argument. How many have been pick up again for terrorists acts once they had been returned. How trying to "re-train" them Saudi Arabia with wives and doughnuts has failed. Terrorists who finger paint - how cute. There are always those who claim innocence and there are even fewer who are. If they were picked up in a fighting zone with a weapon how clean are their hands? What is meant by innocent in your article? They had no direct link to the death of allied forces? Steph justifying the closure of a prison by saying there are some innocent people in it would mean closing all prisons around the world. I just hope they all move into your LA neighborhood and you & your daughter can learn all about being subservient from them. I am sure you look good in a burkha.
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31yes Sam - just love that new burkha fashion trend.
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32An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
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Release terrorists on to our streets and take our guns away at the same time. Excellent move.
33right modus--nothing like getting a two-fer
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34An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
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Steph - It's not about keeping them detained. It's about where to release them. I do not want someone who "might be" a terrorist living in my community. That is just not a chance I'm willing to take. But, hey, since it doesn't seem to bother you maybe the 200 left at Gitmo can be released in your neck of the woods.
35Trixie, people who "might be" terrorist probably live in or near your community now, along with "potential" serial killers, "possible" child abusers... We can't lock up everyone who "might" someday do something wrong.
36Pam
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"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
Again, Steph, it's not about keeping them locked up. It's about where to release them. If you're comfortable having them released in your community, that's fine. I don't want them released in mine.
38GOod lord that photo scared me.
39That photo doesn't scare me. Whomever that is has perfect eyelashes!!! Cool pic, Pam!
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Wow did she ever post huge! em1282, we finally do agree on something-the photo gave me a jolt too!
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41Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
Ah...Stephs favorite cause...Terrorists.
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
42Pretty Blue eyes though.
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44Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
Hey Pam!!!!
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
45Pam
46Hey! Why is everyone waving at each other? What am I missing>

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