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This is a fair question and in my opinion an objective discussion.
Did Socialized Medicine Cost Natasha Richardson Her Life?
By David Hinz - Posted on March 21st, 2009
The death of actress Natasha Richardson following a skiing accident was a tragedy that has rocked her friends and family in New York and Hollywood, and shocked fans around the world. But her death has led to the question, "Was her death unpreventable, or was it the result of a system of socialized medicine in Canada?"
The first question in my mind when I heard that she was not admitted to a hospital until four hours after the accident raised red flags in my mind. Why would it ever take more than four hours to reach a hospital? The answer is predictable. A local trauma center was not available, and rapid transportation via helicopter was not in the budget.
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The province of Quebec lacks a medical helicopter system, common in the United States and other parts of Canada, to airlift stricken patients to major trauma centers. Montreal's top head trauma doctor said Friday that may have played a role in Richardson's death.
"It's impossible for me to comment specifically about her case, but what I could say is ... driving to Mont Tremblant from the city (Montreal) is a 2 1/2-hour trip, and the closest trauma center is in the city. Our system isn't set up for traumas and doesn't match what's available in other Canadian cities, let alone in the States," said Tarek Razek, director of trauma services for the McGill University Health Centre, which represents six of Montreal's hospitals.
Richardson, the daughter of Vanessa Redgrave and wife of Liam Neeson, hit her head while skiing on the beginner slopes of the Mont Tremblant resort in Quebec, Canada. Briefly losing consciousness, she was taken by sled to the ski resort's clinic, where she regained consciousness and was released.
Reportedly she refused treatment at that time, which might have contributed to her death. Undoubtedly, however, the lack of a head-trauma center near the resort community, and the lack of rapid transportation to a community with a head-trauma center, contributed significantly to her death.
Whatever problems the United States health care system might have when it comes to payments, lack of availability to quality trauma centers is not one of them. Helicopter med-flights are available to even the smallest communities with the most limited resources -- usually on short notice with a simple telephone call.
Socialized medicine guarantees scarcity and shortages, along with long waits for service. As tragic as Richardson's death might have been, the system this nation is contemplating adopting will guarantee more deaths just like hers.
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I found the same thing in Ireland. lack of rapid transportation, and long waits even for someone having chest pains , and difficulty breathing (It was a heart attack)
1The statement about the medical air transportation was has been in the news. So if socialized health care occurs here, what will happen to our life flight systems?
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Life flight would cease to exist here, at least. We're a smaller area, but there are many big time hospitals here, all with helipads, of course. We'd be screwed.
3The rich will always have options when it comes to their personal care. One of my credit cards carries a private medevac service to anywhere in the world (for a price). I don't know anything about this resort, it ain't Aspen. Can you tell me more about the ski resort?
4I don't ski, so I don't know the resort. It's in Quebec, but here you go: http://www.tremblant.ca/index-e.htm
Yes, the rich will always have (more) options. It's all the rest of us who will suffer. However, if a service no longer has enough customers to remain viable, it will be discontinued.
Notice that even the locals noted the lack of an air ambulance. From above:
5"Montreal's top head trauma doctor said Friday that may have played a role in Richardson's death."
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Thank you for the link. I don't ski either, or anything else that may cause major injury to me. I have an existing medical condition that makes me extra cautious as to where I go, and what medical help is available to me if a problem arises. I know not everyone has to do that if you don't have a medical concern. This unfortunate tragedy should make people understand how fragile life is and be vigilant when out of the US, about where we vacation, and that includes cruise ships.
6I went to the site and clicked on services, it states that they have medical services and transportation, etc. I would assume a place that has a national snow boarding championship would have medical services available for trauma.
7Well, it seems that your / our American idea of appropriate medical services is different from theirs. Info on that is given in the article.
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I agree. The web site is very pretty...I would have been confident in the information given (services).
9My understanding is that it's a nice area.
10We follow open-wheel racing (i.e., NOT NASCAR), and they have run Champ / Indy cars at the circuit in Mont Tremblant a couple of times. Those kinds of cars generally require decent facilities.
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"Well, it seems that your / our American idea of appropriate medical services is different from theirs. Info on that is given in the article."
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
11cine, let me clarify that I'm not faulting anyone's expectations.
Just pointing out that they differ between countries and systems.
Significantly.
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Closed head injuries are extremely hard to predict in terms of severity. It might have been "too late" once she refused treatment initially (as the article points out). But the lack of medical flights definitely didn't help her.
I do agree that if we go to a full blown socialist medical system, life flights for many communities will be a thing of the past. In addition, you might have life flights available, but because you don't fit the profile for someone who deserves a life flight, you could still be out of luck. When I say profile, I mean like someone could be considered too old.
1352 is not old, right? RIGHT?!?
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CC, the way things are going lately, I kind of hope it is...for my own sake.
15At least then DH could sue somebody and make a little something on the situation.
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CC - 52 is too old, but only until I get there.
16Didn't your mama teach you to respect your elders???
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"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson
She did, but she didn't say anything about poing fun at them...
18Didn't she teach you that women don't fight fair?
19(And older women have more experience at fighting dirty....)
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I would LOVE to be 52 again.
20Don't worry cc, I'll slap UD upside the head for you next time I see him.
He's sure
to remind me that I am his OLDER sister.
21I don't have to remind you if you already know it...
22Can someone explain to me what is meant by "Socialized Medicine"? I'll be honest, everyone talks about this becoming a socialist country, but I'm not really sure I understand what it means.
If my thoughts are right (And believe me, I doubt that they are) Socialism means giving over control to the government. Having no personal rights, such as where you receive your health care or homeowners insurance?
I'm sure it's not that simple, so if someone could explain it that would be great.
23Dave, remind me to remind you that you're grounded. (Skb,
!!!!)
Clara, sounds like you've got it right. It's when the government controls your life, dictating everything from how much they decide you can earn for a living to whether they deem it necessary for you to have certain medical treatment. You might not be that important.... It's a baaaad place for us to go.
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"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson
clarabelle, investigate the British National Health Service.
Care is often delayed, and sometimes rationed depending on cost. For instance, some tests and medications that are common here are not readily available there.
It's too complicated an issue to explain in just a comment or two.
25Google is your friend! Or search this site for blogs tagged "national health" or "socialized medicine". I know I've put up a few when I run across stories in the English papers online.
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Thanks Laine and CCP - That gives me a place to start. I appreciate it.
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