Obama Team Mulls Aims Of Somali Extremists
Seeing Potential Terror Threat, Officials Debate Their Options
By Greg Jaffe and Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, April 11, 2009; Page A01
Senior Obama administration officials are debating how to address a potential terrorist threat to U.S. interests from a Somali extremist group, with some in the military advocating strikes against its training camps. But many officials maintain that uncertainty about the intentions of the al-Shabab organization dictates a more patient, nonmilitary approach.
Al-Shabab, whose fighters have battled Ethiopian occupiers and the tenuous Somali government, poses a dilemma for the administration, according to several senior national security officials who outlined the debate only on the condition of anonymity.
The organization's rapid expansion, ties between its leaders and al-Qaeda, and the presence of Americans and Europeans in its camps have raised the question of whether a preemptive strike is warranted. Yet the group's objectives have thus far been domestic, and officials say that U.S. intelligence has no evidence it is planning attacks outside Somalia.
An attack against al-Shabab camps in southern Somalia would mark the administration's first military strike outside the Iraq and Afghanistan-Pakistan war zones. The White House discussions highlight the challenges facing the Obama team as it attempts to distance itself from the Bush administration, which conducted at least five military strikes in Somalia. The new administration is still defining its rationale for undertaking sensitive operations in countries where the United States is not at war.
Some in the Defense Department have been frustrated by what they see as a failure to act. Many other national security officials say an ill-considered strike would have negative diplomatic and political consequences far beyond the Horn of Africa. Other options under consideration are increased financial pressure and diplomatic activity, including stepped-up efforts to resolve the larger political turmoil in Somalia.
The most recent discussion of the issue took place early this week, just before the unrelated seizure of a U.S. commercial ship in the Indian Ocean by Somali pirates who are holding the American captain of the vessel hostage for ransom.
The administration has not shied away from missile attacks, launched from unmanned aircraft, in Pakistan, targeting what U.S. intelligence says are top members of al-Qaeda. Evidence against al-Shabab in Somalia is far murkier and the argument in favor of a strike is based on the potential threat the group poses to American interests.
"There is increasing concern about what terrorists operating in Somalia might do," a U.S. counterterrorism official said. According to other senior officials, the camps have graduated hundreds of fighters.
The FBI and intelligence officials have said that at least 20 young Somali American men have left this country for Somalia in recent years to train and fight with al-Shabab against the Somali government and occupying Ethiopian military forces. In February, a naturalized American -- 27-year-old Shirwa Ahmed of Minneapolis -- killed himself and many others in a suicide bombing in Somalia.
The U.S., Canadian and European fighters at the al-Shabab training camps are, for now, being used primarily as cannon fodder in Somalia's chaotic internal wars, Philip Mudd, the No. 2 official at the FBI's National Security Branch, told Congress last month. "We do not have a credible body of reporting right now to lead us to believe that these American recruits are being trained and instructed to come back to the United States for terrorist acts," he said. "Yet, obviously, we remain concerned about that and watchful for it."
Some officials have said that those trained at the camps could leave Somalia, making their way through countries such as Yemen, where al-Qaeda has a stronger presence. But officials said there has been little movement outside Somalia.
Al-Shabab was formed from the remnants of an Islamist government overthrown in 2006 by a U.S.-backed Ethiopian invasion. Many of its recruits joined to fight the Ethiopians, who have now largely withdrawn, and officials said U.S. intelligence believes most al-Shabab fighters have been drawn to the organization for nationalistic reasons rather than an interest in global terrorism.
The group has become the strongest force inside Somalia, holding a large swath of territory in the south and contesting the current government's hold on power.
Mudd compared al-Shabab to other nationalistic movements in places such as Chechnya and Bosnia that have drawn fighters from abroad. Foreign recruits raise the profile of the local militant groups and make it appear as though they are part of a broader struggle, Mudd said. "They're accepting non-Somali fighters. . . . I think it adds to their credibility. It's a public relations bonanza for them."
Some of the widespread anti-Ethiopia feeling in Somalia redounded on the United States. "Certainly the Ethiopians weren't very popular in Somalia, and the perception that anybody was helping them wasn't popular there," Dennis C. Blair, the director of national intelligence, said at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing last month.
The Bush administration asserted that some of al-Shabab's original leaders were responsible for the 1998 attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and maintained ties to al-Qaeda. Last year, it added the group to its list of terrorist organizations. "There are indications that al-Qaeda has provided support for training activity" in the camps, said a U.S. counterterrorism official.
American officials do not discount the threat of an attack on the United States or Europe. "To the extent that the al-Shabab leadership talks to the al-Qaeda leadership in Pakistan," the counterterrorism official said, "if that occurs with increasing frequency, then our concerns will grow even stronger."
For the moment, however, U.S. officials are more concerned about attacks in Somalia and in the region. "We're talking about . . . U.S. and Western interests, as well as potential attacks against other countries in Africa."
Similar debates over how to deal with perceived threats in countries where the United States is not at war occurred during the Bush administration, which on several occasions canceled strikes because of insufficient evidence or concern about inflaming the local population and making a politically explosive situation worse. The newness of the Obama administration, one senior military official, has slowed the decision process even more.
They are "walking slowly," the official said, "and for the players with continuity, the frustration continues to grow."
But many on the national security team insist that it is their caution and willingness to consider all aspects of the situation that differentiate them from the overly aggressive posture of the Bush administration that they say exacerbated the terrorist threat.
Crocs
"the overly aggressive posture of the Bush administration that they say exacerbated the terrorist threat." What?
Overly agressive posture of the Bush administration????? I guess Rudy Guilani and his amazing record cleaning up crime in NYC was also overly agressive? no such thing--these are armed thugs.
the Obama "hug a terrorist approach" will invite more attacks.
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"LOTHIAN: Did he bow or didn't he?
ROBERT GIBBS: No. But I think this meeting was like a week ago, right?"
Robert Gibbs, Press Secretary for Obama
1So in other words, they have no idea what to do. Ultimately they will continue to hand down ANY problems they have to the Bush administration. They are going to be concerned, watchful and walk slowly-all the while, any increase hostility and problems they will say is because of Bush.
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2A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Obama's so called "rid the world of Nuclear Weapons" that instead decrease money to our defense system, will also increase more attacks. Also his acts of submission (bows). His lack of respect given to him from other countries. His downgrading and insulting our biggest allies.
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3A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Carter is back.
4Is the Obama administration holding back because he is a closeted muslim and does not want to be seen as a liar to them (only to us)? Is the Obama administration seriously worried about "americans" who go to fight for foreign terrorists nations? If they do they are not Americans. Yesterday they interviewed a Canadian teenager who is fighting for al-Shabab and said he was looking to die for them in a homicidal bombing so he could go to heaven. There is no reasoning with these cretins. Just kill them and use them for spare parts.
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"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
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6A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
and its environmental - waste not, want not.
7The big bonus will be to the black community. Since they really do not donate organs, blood and marrow; those in the community who suffer from cancer and blood diseases will benefit tremendously.
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"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
"But many officials maintain that uncertainty about the intentions of the al-Shabab organization dictates a more patient, nonmilitary approach."
Welcome back Clinton. Give them 4 to 8 years to plan their next major attack, and let the next President take the blame for that attack.
8It 's Carter's homecoming
9Obama is Carter's 2nd term. Can't wait for him to be appointed to the Middle East
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"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
Now that the Captain has been freed how much you wanna bet that Obama takes credit for it?
10Maybe it would be easier to allow Israel juridiction to retaliate; I am sure we would understand which intentions were which is a very short time period.
I have just heard on the news that the captain has been rescued, three of the Somalis are dead and one is captured. Now it will take three years for us to figure out that this guy should have been drawn and quartered ten minutes after he was captured.
We should get back to immediate and just punishment, especially for terrorist Muslims.. and I am coming to the opinion that there are aren't any other kinds.. judging by the so-called moderates' failure to stand up and object to these heinous acts.
BTW, never forget that the TWA flight 800 terrorist debacle occurred on Clinton's watch.
11Israel has enough on their plate. Besides they are smart & brave enough to arm their sailors. I think the 4th should be hung and then buried face down facing away from Mecca. If we are really vindictive we can cover him in pig's blood.
And the Iranian Embassy was on Carter's
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"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
I want to see what they do with the one prisoner they took.
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do you think more hostages might be killed as a result of the rescue? think
the Navy holding this pirate will be enough to protect others being held?
14They will bring him back to the WH for tea & cookies with his 2nd cousin twice removed
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"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
Pam,I hope not, I doubt it though, they are worth money in their minds. I do know this even if other hostages are at risk, we have to stop the pirates. Appeasement will only cause more incidents. Here in the U.S. we have a "no negotiation" rule with regards to hostages. It is a known policy, so we do not have much of a problem with kidnappings, or prison escapes involving freedom for exchange of hostages.
16Sam
no question this has brought the problem to the attention of the entire
world. High time to join forces & stop the problem. What to do? Hire Blackwater to guard ships?
17No remeber BW is banned since the Iraq issues. We start a new company that hires out mercenaries to sailing ships we call it FireWater. We apply for a small woman owned grant to get it started. Interview tall, strong, well armed men ourselves.
18THEN
We then hire ourselves out to various shipping lines to serve and protect and to shoot pirates. Pirates may board but they just can't leave.
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"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
Perfect idea Sam! placing ad for "tall, strong, well armed men"
reviving BW! an example:
http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2007/10/02/blackwater/story.jpg
19more form fitting uniforms - got booty - show it off
20I want men whose butts bullets bounce off
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"seeking men whose butts bullet bounce off"
ok. done! in the ad it goes!
21"Pirates may board but they just can't leave."
Could we call it Cruiser Hotel California (A la "You can check out, but you can never leave")?
22Very fitting dave. It sounds just like the Raid Roach Motel commercial!
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23A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Oh wait. That was, "Roaches check in but they never check out." Well I guess the bugs are the same. They're both roaches anyway.
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24A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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