Link: blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/court_says_homeless_must_be_al.html
Homeless people cannot be denied the right to vote because the grate they sleep on doesn't have an address, a federal magistrate has ruled.
Edmund Sargus, a U.S. District Court judge for southern Ohio, on Monday ordered
Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner not to reject provisional ballots that fail to list a building address on a provisional voting envelope.
Sargus also ordered Brunner not to reject provisional ballots because of poll worker error, "including failing to sign a provisional envelope."
The Northeast Ohio Coalition for the Homeless had asked the court for a preliminary injunction dealing with issues affecting the homeless.
Cleveland attorney Subodh Chandra, who represents the coalition, told the court that a Cuyahoga County Board of Elections training and compliance officer said in an Oct. 21 deposition that his board did not plan to count ballots for homeless people who could not list a home address.
Another link to same issue: www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-28-homeless-voters_N...
My concern is how are they going to make sure that the homeless people aren't being driven to several different polling places to vote for a particular candidate? They don't have to list an address and they don't have to show ID proving their names. To me this opens the door for fraud and for challenges to the election from either side.
No Romeo
Well, what can you expect from a state that created a major black out. Not very bright.
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The whole situation is very Catch 22 --- I mean, there's a total opportunity for fraud here (with Acorn staffers claiming to be homeless people and not putting an address), but on the other hand, I'd hate to disenfranchise someone who truly wants to vote. My question is, how did these people register to vote? Or, I guess the bigger question is, do you even have to register to vote in Ohio!?
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3I agree sy, it is a huge catch-22. I think anyone who wants to vote should vote, but the potential abuse is astounding. I know the homeless coalition was challenging the ruling that Ohio voters had to have an ID to vote and were successful in getting the ID requirement dropped. There's nothing stopping an unscruplous person from driving a vanful of homeless people to several different polling places. All they have to do is make up different names for each place.
4On a different note, how many homeless people truly want to vote and how many are being "paid" to vote? On the news you always hear that the homeless are being offered food or money to go vote a certain way. I have no idea how true that is, though the cynic in me thinks the percentage would be greater than 50% are being offered something.
5I know this may sound cruel.
6So I should begin by saying I'm the first to give my last five dollars to a homeless man or buy him a lunch.
For Christmas I'm going to buy a bunch of Subway gift cards and pass them out to homeless people.
However, homeless people should not be allowed to vote.
Not because they are not citizens.
But because to avoid voter fraud one must be able to provide a valid id and address.
With out that - what's to keep this person from voting at several locations?
Furthermore to quote my husband, "nowhere in the language of the constitution are you granted the inalienable right to cast a ballot for the President of the United States. This is granted to you thru the benevolence of our Republic and can be revoked at anytime for any reason."
That being said: I know we're going to win this election and I also know we're going to lose Ohio.
7The voter fraud there is out of control.
I agree 100% Chanc!
8I agree with you Chanc.
9There is an article in The Columbus Dispatch today about a 95 year old Alzheimer's patient who has never voted in her life being registered to & voting in the same day when two county board of elections employees visited her nursing home.
www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/30/copy...
What I really love is the OH Sec of State, Jennifer Bruner, calling this "odd". There's nothing odd about it. It's voter fraud plain & simple.
10You know who is odd? Jennifer Bruner.
11It makes you wonder about the state. I run into the drivers from there in SC and avoid them at all costs. Can't drive, cause major black outs and can't vote.... think we could give the state to Canada?
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Minus Laine and Jeniousof course!
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14No they go back to Mexico with any SW state that goes blue.
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haha Sam. Good point!
They can take NM too.
16Sy - She's another one I'd like to smack in the head.
Sam - I live in Ohio & my in-laws are in Canada. Not sure what that says about me.... It's the native Ohioans that can't drive. (I moved here from Colorado so I don't count
) This is the worst state for tailgaters & speeders.
17Hi, I live in Ohio! So if you decide to gift this fine state to Canada, can I come live with one of you?
18Sure come to NY.
19Ohio drivers are all over the place. I was going down rte. 17 and there is a planet hollywood and the car in front of us came to a stop to look at it because its a huge planet earth on a pedestal. They are always causing accidents.
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tweet! You can come down to FL with me if you want. 
20HEY! I've got family in California! Let me get the sane ones out of there first please. LMAO
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21If you always do as you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.
I wonder if they would become the new illegal immigrants?
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this convo reminds me of this
23http://teamsugar.com/group/974220/blog/1812941
Well if by that chart, NY gets cut off, I will move to SC permanently and live off my tax welfare checks. Sitting in the hammock drinking Margaritas and listening to Jimmy Buffet.
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"Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return. No misfortune, no injury, no humiliation can destroy it."
Gotta go to Pilates - promised Kim to do core work for her.
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"Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return. No misfortune, no injury, no humiliation can destroy it."
Do it!
Engage that pelvic floor!
26we red states won't have welfare... sorry for ya!
27haha sy
28I wish I could work out
As for Ohio. Could you imagine if this state actually went to McCain? Then all the Liberals would be up and arms about the voter fraud, although they seem very quiet right now.
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
29We can dream Cine. Ohio will get smart - McCain will win it and we will dance the dance of joy. Not sure what it would like like but it would shave a lot of stomping.
Okay went to Pilates last night - Kim your core got a workout and so did your butt. Soap boy missed class and not for good reasons. He called and had been mugged in the middle of the day. 7 kids jumped him from behind. Sent him wishes to feel better. I am hoping NYC is not sliding back to the days of mayor Dinkins.
running to bank - more clients paid. Yeah!
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Aw man! Poor soap guy!
Did they mess up his beautiful face? Hope not!
31LOL Sy. I hope his behind is ok!
32LOL thanks Sam!! I did extra cardio and I did extra reps on all my sets for you! so your triceps, biceps and back - not to mention glutes and abs got a good workout yesterday!
oh wow so sorry about soap guy - hope he's ok. Mayor Dinkins - UGH!
33He got hit from behind so as far as i know pretty is still pretty. And major UGH for Dinky.
34Kim your butt got so worked out yesterday, its actually a wee sore. But we are on are way to cute rear.
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That map is a beautiful thing!
We drove by an Acorn office when we were in Ohio last week. Ew.
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